{"id":17762,"date":"2024-10-14T18:18:13","date_gmt":"2024-10-14T15:18:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forklog.com\/en\/sonic-co-founder-criticizes-l2-appchains-as-illogical-for-developers\/"},"modified":"2024-10-14T18:18:13","modified_gmt":"2024-10-14T15:18:13","slug":"sonic-co-founder-criticizes-l2-appchains-as-illogical-for-developers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forklog.com\/en\/sonic-co-founder-criticizes-l2-appchains-as-illogical-for-developers\/","title":{"rendered":"Sonic Co-Founder Criticizes L2 Appchains as Illogical for Developers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Andre Cronje, co-founder and architect of Sonic (formerly Fantom), has cautioned developers against using appchains\u2014customized second-layer networks for specific <span data-descr=\"decentralized application\" class=\"old_tooltip\">dapp<\/span>.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-lang=\"en\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Why L2s as appchains are not logical for builders:<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Barely any infra when deploying (stable coins, oracles, institutional custody, etc)<br \/>\u2014 No foundation\/labs to help support<br \/>\u2014 Centralised and open to attack<br \/>\u2014 Fragmenting liquidity and forcing it onto bridges<br \/>\u2014 No community of\u2026<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Andre Cronje (@AndreCronjeTech) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/AndreCronjeTech\/status\/1845260816289091980?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 13, 2024<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> <script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>The founder of the DeFi project yEarn Finance described such protocols as &#8220;illogical&#8221; and listed several issues that warrant their avoidance.<\/p>\n<p>According to him, they lack the necessary infrastructure for launching stablecoins, oracles, institutional custody, and more. Meanwhile, the cost of these services is often underestimated.<\/p>\n<p>Cronje noted that the Sonic team spent $14 million in 2024 alone on such expenses, as well as explorers, exchange access, tool stacks, cross-chain bridges, compliance solutions, and other services. These are mostly regular expenses, he added.<\/p>\n<p>In this regard, Cronje supported Gabriel Gareth Fu from Mantle.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Agreed, many fail to realize that infra is the single most expensive recurring cost for any L2, which is oftentimes taken for granted.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Gabe (@0xGabe_) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/0xGabe_\/status\/1845273909312225441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 13, 2024<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> <script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>&#8220;Agreed, many do not understand that infrastructure is the most expensive regular cost for any L2 protocol, which is often taken for granted,&#8221; wrote the DeFi development team lead.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Cronje added that service providers refuse to work with L2 appchains or prioritize them lowly, leading to unjustified time losses.<\/p>\n<p>Among other drawbacks of such solutions, the expert listed:<\/p>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>lack of support and community, both users and developers; <\/li>\n<li>fragmentation of liquidity or forced distribution across bridges;<\/li>\n<li>centralized nature and vulnerability to attacks;<\/li>\n<li>necessity to build the project alone and lack of network effects.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Polygon Labs CEO Marc Boiron countered Cronje, stating that most of the difficulties he mentioned are solvable. According to him, the AggLayer aggregation level from Polygon is suitable for organizing interaction, managing liquidity flows, and building a community.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Most of these things can be solved:<br \/>\u2014 Create an interop solution that includes native infra for all connecting chains (as will be the case with the AggLayer). <br \/>\u2014 Create a culture around an interop solution of helping others so the tide lifts all boats. Polygon Labs is the first\u2026<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Marc Boiron (@0xMarcB) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/0xMarcB\/status\/1845299236914479472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 13, 2024<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> <script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Hilmar Orth, founder of Gelato Network, also presented counterarguments to Cronje&#8217;s points on almost all counts except one. He agreed that &#8220;building will have to be done alone&#8221; since applications are competitors\u2014&#8221;that&#8217;s the reality.&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-conversation=\"none\" data-lang=\"en\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">disagree. <\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Barely any infra when deploying (stable coins, oracles, institutional custody, etc)<\/p>\n<p>=> you get most of those one-click on Gelato RaaS<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 No foundation\/labs to help support<\/p>\n<p>=> actually you get a lot of support by RaaS providers and framework teams <\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Centralised\u2026<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Hilmar | ser.eth (@hilmarxo) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hilmarxo\/status\/1845329540932894818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 13, 2024<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> <script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Earlier in October, the largest DEX by trading volume, Uniswap, announced the launch of its own L2 solution. According to analysts, this could bring the platform and UNI token holders up to $500 million in additional annual revenue.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Andre Cronje, co-founder and architect of Sonic (formerly Fantom), has cautioned developers against using appchains\u2014customized second-layer networks for specific dapp. Why L2s as appchains are not logical for builders: \u2014 Barely any infra when deploying (stable coins, oracles, institutional custody, etc)\u2014 No foundation\/labs to help support\u2014 Centralised and open to attack\u2014 Fragmenting liquidity and forcing [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":17761,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"select":"","news_style_id":"","cryptorium_level":"","_short_excerpt_text":"","creation_source":"","_metatest_mainpost_news_update":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[1342,1138],"class_list":["post-17762","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-news-and-analysis","tag-appchains","tag-opinions"],"aioseo_notices":[],"amp_enabled":true,"views":"20","promo_type":"","layout_type":"","short_excerpt":"","is_update":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/forklog.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17762","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/forklog.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/forklog.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forklog.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forklog.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=17762"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/forklog.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17762\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forklog.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/17761"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/forklog.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=17762"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forklog.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=17762"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forklog.com\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=17762"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}